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aides say reid's plan would avoid tax increases for people making less than $250,000, eliminate big spends cut and restore unemployment benefits. >> i think you're likely to see a two-step process here. one sort of dealing with the immediate dynamic so you can deal with the larger situation. >> reporter: without a deal, bush era tax cuts will expire january 1st and deep spending cuts will set in. congress set up the deadline hoping it would force a compromise. so far, that's backfired. also flying back on air force one is hawaii lieutenant governor brian schatz. he is replacing the late senator from hawaii, senator inouye. he'll likely be sworn in later today. schatz tweeted he's looking forward to supporting the president's agenda. reporting live in washington, i'm danielle leigh. >>> treasury secretary tim geithner is adding to the pressure saying the treasury may not be able to pay its bill on monday. that could lead to a credit downgrade. in his letter, geithner proposes a series of measures to postpone the date. geithner indicates his plan would free up about $2 who billion. >>> we no
aides say reid's plan would avoid tax increases for people making less than $250,000, eliminate big spends cut and restore unemployment benefits. >> i think you're likely to see a two-step process here. one sort of dealing with the immediate dynamic so you can deal with the larger situation. >> reporter: without a deal, bush era tax cuts will expire january 1st and deep spending cuts will set in. congress set up the deadline hoping it would force a compromise. so far, that's...
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in the meantime, harry reid refers to john boehner's leadership as a dictatorship. not helpful. >>> but first, to your top stories this morning -- retired general norman schwarzkopf died thursday at his home in tampa, florida, he's credited with devising the plan that drove saddam hussein's forces out of kuwait in 1991. known as stormin' norman for his strong personality. >>> the general said that he did agree with president george h.w. bush's decision not to follow saddam's decision into baghdad. >> ladies and gentlemen, when we here, we were 150 miles away from baghdad and there's nobody between us and bagsd. if our intention to take iraq, to destroy the country, if it had been our intention to overrun the country, we could have done it unopposed from this position at that time. >> schwarzkopf was honored for his service with the medal of freedom. queen elizabeth even awarded him with a knight hood. >>> former president george h.w. bush praised his leadership yesterday. general schwarzkopf is survived by his wife and three kids. he was 78 years old. >>> joining us
in the meantime, harry reid refers to john boehner's leadership as a dictatorship. not helpful. >>> but first, to your top stories this morning -- retired general norman schwarzkopf died thursday at his home in tampa, florida, he's credited with devising the plan that drove saddam hussein's forces out of kuwait in 1991. known as stormin' norman for his strong personality. >>> the general said that he did agree with president george h.w. bush's decision not to follow saddam's...
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what's happening right now is harry reid and mitch mcconnell, the top democrat and republican in the senate are still negotiating their staffs at this hour. they are supposed to be working until about 3:00 this afternoon when the plan would be presented to both caucuses. as we understand what they are talking about is the bare minimum. basically the senate negotiating to extend those tax cuts for everybody making under $250,000 a year and do extend unemployment benefits also they're talking about trying to do something to stop the automatic spending cuts that go into effect but don't expect a deal on that. now, dan, if a deal can be reached today, the senate would begin looking at it, begin debating it and then you would see vote tomorrow in the senate and possibly a vote tomorrow in the house because as you know, if we get to tuesday without any of this happening, off the cliff. >> and, jon, you say off the cliff by tuesday, just two days left, how damaging would it be if we do indeed go off the cliff even if we bungee up a few days or weeks after. >> the impact on everybody's taxes
what's happening right now is harry reid and mitch mcconnell, the top democrat and republican in the senate are still negotiating their staffs at this hour. they are supposed to be working until about 3:00 this afternoon when the plan would be presented to both caucuses. as we understand what they are talking about is the bare minimum. basically the senate negotiating to extend those tax cuts for everybody making under $250,000 a year and do extend unemployment benefits also they're talking...
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the senate majority leader harry reid and john boehner exchange harsh words. the fiscal cliff in just five days and still no deal. the winter storm that slammed the south is now stranding thousands of travelers in the northeast and beyond. that is coming up. >>> and the russian president vladimir putin says he will sign a bill banning americans from adopting russian children. that's all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smith. first from fox at 3:00, back to work in washington, d.c. with less than five days to go before falls right off the fiscal cliff. the senate back in session today and it's the first time the senate or house has met for business between christmas and new year's in more than four decades. president obama cut his hawaii trip short arriving in washington early today. for now, the house of representatives is not in session but we've learned those lawmakers are set to return this weekend. today the senate majority leader, harry reid, says we've just about run out of time. >> if we go
the senate majority leader harry reid and john boehner exchange harsh words. the fiscal cliff in just five days and still no deal. the winter storm that slammed the south is now stranding thousands of travelers in the northeast and beyond. that is coming up. >>> and the russian president vladimir putin says he will sign a bill banning americans from adopting russian children. that's all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." i'm trace gallagher in for...
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senate majority leader harry reid has a plan to let tax cuts expire for households making more than $250,000 a year along with short-term spending cuts instead of the long-term cuts that would happen if there is nodule. >> the american people are waiting for the ball to drop but it's not going to be a good drop because americans' taxes are approaching the wrong direction. >> reporter: negotiations between president obama and house republican leaders stalled last week. the house is now leaving it up to the democratic-controlled senate to solve the problem before the new year deadline. in addition to the "fiscal cliff," treasury secretary timothy geithner warned congress that the u.s. is close to hitting its debt limit of $16.4 trillion. geithner saved the government will take steps to allow more burrough after december 31. danielle nottingham, cbs news, washington. >>> let's look now at the markets. stocks fell sharply by 55 and change. the drop is attributed to consumer confidence falling to the lowest level since august. >>> the storm that moved across the country pushing northeast through
senate majority leader harry reid has a plan to let tax cuts expire for households making more than $250,000 a year along with short-term spending cuts instead of the long-term cuts that would happen if there is nodule. >> the american people are waiting for the ball to drop but it's not going to be a good drop because americans' taxes are approaching the wrong direction. >> reporter: negotiations between president obama and house republican leaders stalled last week. the house is...
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reid and dr. armanda for advice. >> the biggest thing we're doing differently now is not trying to remove every fragment of bone or piece of metal penetrating into the cranual vault compared to previous conflicts, we're doing a larger incision. typically, we'll leave half of the skull off anywhere between 4 to six months and it's longer than a civilian sector. >> reporter: during the 12 years while limb prosthetics improved dramatically for the wounded warrior, so have skull prosthetics, going fromplastic to a new and improved titanium resisting infection and allows better facial reconstruction for the patient. one of the patients works for him and he is a former special operator medic who was blown up in january 2009. his skull was smashed when he was thrown into a concrete mall. >> -- wall. >> it's like swimming with false clothing on. can you do it but you're not as efficient and you slower and takes a hard time to get there and you awkward. until the brain actually catches up with what you wan
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senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but, if an agreement isn't reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell, then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up-or-down vote, one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital lifeline of unemployment insurance to 2 million americans looking for a job, and lays the groundwork for future cooperation of more economic growth and deficit reduction. guys, i can hear you over here. i believe such proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities, as long as those leaders allow it to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or the senate want to vote no, they can. but we should let everybody vote. that is the way this is supposed to work. if can you get a majority in the house, then can you get a majority in the senate, then we should be able to pass a bill. so the american people are watching what we do here. obviously their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wond
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harry reid, before his closed door luncheon, said he was still cautiously optimistic. hard to see from our perspective why he would say this because things seem pretty bleak at this point, though you never know what's going on behind closed doors. melissa. >> thank you very much. keeping an eye on that podium because senator harry reid is apparently going to come out and speak in a few minutes so we'll watch for that. let's go to the white house correspondent kristen welker. we know the senate majority leader has talked to the president. has there been any reaction from the white house today. >> reporter: the white house is not commenting on these negotiations that are going on over on the hill. they do not want to derail them by speaking out, by agitating the situation, but i tell you that there is a lot of investment here going on behind the scenes. in addition to mitch mcconnell speaking to vice president biden, the president sent his top negotiator, one of his top negotiators, rob nabors over to the hill. he's meeting with senate democrats as well this afternoon. a
harry reid, before his closed door luncheon, said he was still cautiously optimistic. hard to see from our perspective why he would say this because things seem pretty bleak at this point, though you never know what's going on behind closed doors. melissa. >> thank you very much. keeping an eye on that podium because senator harry reid is apparently going to come out and speak in a few minutes so we'll watch for that. let's go to the white house correspondent kristen welker. we know the...
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a spokesman for harry reid some are blaming the gop for the holdup. no further legislation can move unless republicans drop their knee-jerk obstructionism. if the country falls off the fiscal cliff, it may feel gradual at first, except on wall street. >> the reaction from the financial markets and the stock markets -- you could see something quick. >> a top ceo is hoping to jolt them into action. he wants employees to write " come together" on the coffee cups. >> i am maintaining my optimism that we will see the republicans and administration come together and do what is right for the country. >> starbucks has a message for the players in washington and is taking out an ad in "the washington post" featuring a quote from lincoln. will it work? we will see. hallie jackson, wbal-tv 11 news. >> 6;09. 37 degrees at the airport. >> former president george h.w. bush is transferred to intensive care. we will have an update. >> i giant aquarium suddenly collapses. >> everyone has that fear when they stand by it. it is terrifying. the wind is picking up today.
a spokesman for harry reid some are blaming the gop for the holdup. no further legislation can move unless republicans drop their knee-jerk obstructionism. if the country falls off the fiscal cliff, it may feel gradual at first, except on wall street. >> the reaction from the financial markets and the stock markets -- you could see something quick. >> a top ceo is hoping to jolt them into action. he wants employees to write " come together" on the coffee cups. >> i...
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john boehner is being controlled unfortunately by the right wing pickwick that leaves it up to harry reid and the rest of the senate to find a solution. the plan would avoid tax increases and would eliminate some big spending cuts and restore unemployment benefits. >> you are likely to see a two- step process. >> without a deal, bush era tax cuts will expire on january 1. congress set up the deadline hoping it would force a compromise. so far that has a compromise in. also flyback will be brian schatz. he will be replacing daniel inouye and will likely be sworn in later today. danielle leigh, wbal-tv 11 news. >> with the new year comes new state laws. >> kim dacey has more on what to expect. >> on tuesday, a dozen new state laws will go into effect. some were highly discuss. one allows gay couples to marry as of january 1. baltimore city elections will now be held in the same cycle as the presidential elections. for veterans, the department of veterans affairs will be required to give out something of their status. another new law will make it easier to protect kids and disabled -- a pare
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harry reid was sounding the death knell. what happened yesterday, david? >> congressional leaders came to the white house and had direct talks with the president and john boehner continues to say, look, new it's up to the senate to take action and so there is -- what was noticed on these negotiations and the question is go going, and that's the sticking point and we're waiting to see what happens and we're running out of time and as the other guests have said, it will be up to the house to see if they can get it through. >> i want to throw it up on the screen so folks at home can appreciate when we're talking about and what it will mean for people if no deal is reached. the bush tax cuts expire for all americans. that means everyone's taxes go up. the payroll tax holiday will expire which means roughly $1,000 decrease in take home pay for the the average worker. unemployment insurance goes away for more than 2 million people. the sequester as well, $110 billion in automatic spending cuts to defense and other domestic programs. that's going kick in, as well
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we have a loose deadline of 3:00 that reid and mcconnell had. what are you hearing as the clock ticks about where they are in negotiations? you said to me a moment ago, you are aware of a few sticking points. give us the latest. >> there are a few key sticking points. you know, it really does come down to the same thing. when you get done with the whole package, have we shifted taxes or are the wealthy getting their fair share? we get into estate tax where there's a debate about do the wealthy pay their fair share or shift it to the middle class. frankly, we have had two years of debating, running up to deadlines, putting faith and credit of the country on the line. each time, we agreed to spending cuts. now a total of $1.6 trillion in spending cuts that mainly hit the middle class, low income people, seniors and we still don't have any contribution from the wealthiest americans. that's the line in the sand for us. we know we need to go further on a lot of fronts. you have to start by everybody sacrificing and paying their fair share. >> you may
we have a loose deadline of 3:00 that reid and mcconnell had. what are you hearing as the clock ticks about where they are in negotiations? you said to me a moment ago, you are aware of a few sticking points. give us the latest. >> there are a few key sticking points. you know, it really does come down to the same thing. when you get done with the whole package, have we shifted taxes or are the wealthy getting their fair share? we get into estate tax where there's a debate about do the...
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just how much all this would cost going into senator reid's office and then that payment heading over to the republican side. manila envelopes changing hands. so all that is a good sign that there are discussions and progress being made, at least they are talking, don. things could be worse. >> okay. so this may be a little bit redid you know danlt, but i want you to go in specifically for me. president obama says he wants another plan put to a vote if the senate fails to come up with a plan. so what is the president's plan, and will republican leaders let that happen? >> well, okay. so senate majority leader harry reid, a democrat, has crafted an alternative proposal that he has -- saying he will put -- if the negotiations i just described fail and if the senators cannot come to a bipartisan agreement, then the democratic leader is going to put on the floor a democratic proposal that would extend tax rates for households that make $250,000 and less. hatch the alternative minimum tax and extend unemployment insurance. so that's a democratic proposal. the problem with that is, you can
just how much all this would cost going into senator reid's office and then that payment heading over to the republican side. manila envelopes changing hands. so all that is a good sign that there are discussions and progress being made, at least they are talking, don. things could be worse. >> okay. so this may be a little bit redid you know danlt, but i want you to go in specifically for me. president obama says he wants another plan put to a vote if the senate fails to come up with a...
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>> it depends really what mcconnell and reid really broker. if it's something that's a good deal that we can move to the new year and start looking at structural entitlement reform, then we'll take it. i completely disagree with alexis, by the way. the president is not showing leadership with this deal. what he's trying to do is push the blame on the house republicans and break them. he's not interested in just winning this issue. he's interested in getting his agenda through which includes more regulation, gun control possibly, and immigration reform. all he wants to do is win the blame game. he's not interested in leadership because if he was interested in leadership, he would have brokered from the beginning in good faith and because he just ignores entitlement reform, he's kidding himself. >> heather: alexis, i'll let you respond to that. because when it comes to spending cuts, president obama says his own, his own words, quote, lays the groundwork for that in the future. the last big budget deal in the summer of 2011, it ended with precis
>> it depends really what mcconnell and reid really broker. if it's something that's a good deal that we can move to the new year and start looking at structural entitlement reform, then we'll take it. i completely disagree with alexis, by the way. the president is not showing leadership with this deal. what he's trying to do is push the blame on the house republicans and break them. he's not interested in just winning this issue. he's interested in getting his agenda through which...
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in case those discussions break down, the president asked harry reid to prepare a separate bill to put on the floor of the senate that would raise taxes on households that earn $250,000 or more. now, that's really a democratic proposal and you could expect republicans to block it, so, rather than thinking of that as a stop gap measure, probably think of it as a political measure to shift the responsibility for failure on to republicans just before the nation hits the hour of wreckening. alison? >> thanks. >>> lawmakers could vote as early as today and when it happens, you can watch live coverage right here on cnn. >>> the president will continue to plead his case for a deal today. he's making his first appearance on a sunday talk show in more than three years. he'll be on nbc's "meet the press." he'll call for an immediately vote for congress on a scale-back plan that would only extend middle class tax breaks if the negotiations fail. >>> other news now, second degree murder as a hate crime. that's the charge facing erica menendez. she is the woman accused of shoving a man to his death
in case those discussions break down, the president asked harry reid to prepare a separate bill to put on the floor of the senate that would raise taxes on households that earn $250,000 or more. now, that's really a democratic proposal and you could expect republicans to block it, so, rather than thinking of that as a stop gap measure, probably think of it as a political measure to shift the responsibility for failure on to republicans just before the nation hits the hour of wreckening. alison?...
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. >> harris: a spokesman for john boehner fired back "senator reid should talk less and legislate more." and senate minority leader mcconnell saying we should have worked all this out months ago. >> and republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> harris: tonight, that is exactly where we stand. at the edge of a cliff throwing blame for how you we got here. a lot of finger pointing and no answers as i said and just days remaining until tax increases and spending cuts all kick in and we all feel the pain. mike emanuel live with the news for us tonight on capitol hill. top democrats seem to be suggesting they cannot cut a deal without republican help. >> well, harris, that is right. and so they are asking what it will take to at least get some republican support. they say time is so critical. they cannot just roll out new legislation only to have the republicans reject it. we know president obama called the top four congressional leaders last night on his way back from hawaii. tomorrow
. >> harris: a spokesman for john boehner fired back "senator reid should talk less and legislate more." and senate minority leader mcconnell saying we should have worked all this out months ago. >> and republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> harris: tonight, that is exactly where we stand. at the edge of a cliff throwing blame for how you we got here. a lot...
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. >>> wrestle joann reid, doug thornle is a democratic strategist and former national press secretary for the dccc. and gang, it's great to have all of you here we hear the congressman talking about, and the side by side blows your mind. debbie wasserman schultz, congresswoman and also the party chair of the dnc appeared on the last hour with richard lui talking about this. listen to her take. >> they're willing to take us over the fiscal cliff essentially controls john boehner, preventing him from being able to make any reasonable deal to avoid taxes increasing on 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses. >> being held hostage. knew that the clock was ticking. >> well, i don't know if it's so much that he boxed himself in. there is a fact out there that we now see more districts represented by people who win by over 20%, so they are hyper-partisan. yes, there are more republicans who are hyper-partisan than there are democrats. >> is boehner betting on the president losing? >> i don't know. i think what he was betting on is he could play his cards a little better. where he really
. >>> wrestle joann reid, doug thornle is a democratic strategist and former national press secretary for the dccc. and gang, it's great to have all of you here we hear the congressman talking about, and the side by side blows your mind. debbie wasserman schultz, congresswoman and also the party chair of the dnc appeared on the last hour with richard lui talking about this. listen to her take. >> they're willing to take us over the fiscal cliff essentially controls john boehner,...
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senators reids and mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we can get a bipartisan bill out of the senate over to the house and done in a timely fashion so that we met the december 31st deadline. but given how things have been working in this town, we always have to wait and see until it actually happens. the one thing that the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action so if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor. and i've asked senator reid to do this, put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle-class families don't go up. that unemployment insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education
senators reids and mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we can get a bipartisan bill out of the senate over to the house and done in a timely fashion so that we met the december 31st deadline. but given how things have been working in this town, we always have to wait and see until it actually happens. the one thing that the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action so if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate, i expect a...
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majority leader harry reid recognizes this is a critical time. we have a lot meeting in the white house very con struck stif. we hope that it will bear fruit. we hope the next 24 hours will be very instructive as to what we're able to accomplish. >> in order to make that happen, the senate will not be in session tomorrow, harris. >> do they generally agree with the democratic perspective here on whether or not this can get done? >> harris, republicans say it was a good meeting at the white house. we're told there was a discussion of potential options and components of a plan that could pass both the house and senate. here's the top senate republicans take. >> we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. so we'll be working hard it to try to see if we can get there in the next 24 hours. >> that's sets up a critical day on sunday when house republicans and their colleagues the democrats return an
majority leader harry reid recognizes this is a critical time. we have a lot meeting in the white house very con struck stif. we hope that it will bear fruit. we hope the next 24 hours will be very instructive as to what we're able to accomplish. >> in order to make that happen, the senate will not be in session tomorrow, harris. >> do they generally agree with the democratic perspective here on whether or not this can get done? >> harris, republicans say it was a good meeting...
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. >> majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell say they're confident they come to a compromise but they have to sell it to john boehner and fellow republicans before the deadline. >> president obama will be david gregory's exclusive guest on "meet the press" later this morning. you can watch his interview at 10:00 a.m. former president george h.w. bush is out of intensive care and said to be improving this morning. he is in a regular room at houston methodist hospital. a family spokesperson says the family thanks everyone for their prayers and good wishes. he is being treated for a cough. a lawyer for one of the survivors of the newtown school massacre says the state of connecticut didn't do enough to keep kids safe and wants to sue for $100 million. the attorney says the state failed to provide a safe setting for his clintd, an unidentified 6-year-old girl. he says after hearing gunfire, she was left with emotional scars. to howard county where police say they've cracked a string of burglaries that hit homes in columbia and ellicott city. nadia ramdass has the sto
. >> majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell say they're confident they come to a compromise but they have to sell it to john boehner and fellow republicans before the deadline. >> president obama will be david gregory's exclusive guest on "meet the press" later this morning. you can watch his interview at 10:00 a.m. former president george h.w. bush is out of intensive care and said to be improving this morning. he is in a regular room at houston...
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aides say reid's plan would avoid tax increases for people making less than $250,000, eliminate some big spending cuts and restore unemployment benefits. >> i think you're likely to see a two-step process here, one sort of dealing with the immediate dynamics so that you could in fact set up a situation where you could deal with the larger situation. >> reporter: without a deal, bush-era tax cuts will expire january 1st and deep spending cuts will set in. congress set up the deadline, hoping it would force a compromise. so far, that's backfired. also flying back on air force one is lieutenant governor brian schatz and will likely be sworn in later today. just before taking off, he tweeted that he's looking forward to supporting the president's agenda. reporting live in washington, i'm dan yeielle leigh. mara, back to you. >> thank you. >>> tim geithner is adding to the pressure to get the office calf cliff deal done. in an open letter wednesday, he warned the federal government may not be able to pay its bills once the country reaches its borrowing limit on december 31st, which is mon
aides say reid's plan would avoid tax increases for people making less than $250,000, eliminate some big spending cuts and restore unemployment benefits. >> i think you're likely to see a two-step process here, one sort of dealing with the immediate dynamics so that you could in fact set up a situation where you could deal with the larger situation. >> reporter: without a deal, bush-era tax cuts will expire january 1st and deep spending cuts will set in. congress set up the...
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asking harry reid to ask and president obama to act. >> harry reid's his lifeline. let me ask you this. everybody watches politics. this isn't cnbc here, it's politics. let's get a couple things straight. you say right now that today it's a democratic advantage. obama looks like the guy is trying to get it done. republicans are the holdouts. >> it's not just me. look at the gallup reports. republicans have been going down. >> obama's 54%. right now it's a democratic advantage. >> democratic advantage right now. >> midnight monday still a democratic advantage? >> no. if you go over the cliff, everyone's in trouble. >> wednesday morning next week which is only a week away and we're into 2013 and no deal's been made, do you accept the fact that both guys are in trouble? >> i think it's a jump ball. i'm not sure what happens at that point. it depends on what the markets do. we'll say this. president obama doesn't have to worry as much as the members of congress do because he's not on the ballot again. >> but if there's a second recession, doesn't that kill his second te
asking harry reid to ask and president obama to act. >> harry reid's his lifeline. let me ask you this. everybody watches politics. this isn't cnbc here, it's politics. let's get a couple things straight. you say right now that today it's a democratic advantage. obama looks like the guy is trying to get it done. republicans are the holdouts. >> it's not just me. look at the gallup reports. republicans have been going down. >> obama's 54%. right now it's a democratic advantage....
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senator harry reid and mitch mcconnell are trying to hammer out a deal the house might approve, but the house is ticking. joining us now are our political strategists. brendan, the president today said is he going to have senator mcconnell, senator reid start off on this package, but doesn't that eliminate a big player in this, which is john boehner, if this has to get passed through the house? >> certainly and he's been talking with the speaker all along. i think he's basically saying the house is really at an impasse. i don't think they can pass it on their own, but if there's a bipartisan deal that senate republicans and senate democrats can pass, the speaker's office indicated they may bring it up in the house even if they only get 1/3 or 1/2 of the republicans, if there are enough democrats, it can pass in the house. that's really been the problem. the speaker wants to bring a bill and get the majority. >> jack, let me ask you, one of the complaints we've heard is that speaker boehner has a policy he does not bring a bill to the floor of the house that does not have a majority repu
senator harry reid and mitch mcconnell are trying to hammer out a deal the house might approve, but the house is ticking. joining us now are our political strategists. brendan, the president today said is he going to have senator mcconnell, senator reid start off on this package, but doesn't that eliminate a big player in this, which is john boehner, if this has to get passed through the house? >> certainly and he's been talking with the speaker all along. i think he's basically saying...
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without adding in to this mix, senator harry reid who is running the senate and have failed to act on anything yet. >> will you support whatever short-term deal the republican leadership supports? >> i don't know what i'm going to support yet until i see it. the previous congressman you had on, raul, interesting enough, his office is right next to mine in longworth. the fact of the matter is we're going to have to find a place to come together. that the president has offered a 7% solution for a 100% problem. i was struck by the fact that not a single democrat supported speaker boehner's plan "b" when that was actually nancy pelosi's solution which was to raise taxes on those earning a million dollars or more. not one democrat agreed to vote for it. >> let's talk about that plan "b." it was not successful. hastert had some unkind words saying i don't want to be critical of john, but you don't ever bring something to the floor if you don't have the votes. so congressman, did the speaker miscalculate and do you think he'll be challenged for the speakership when the new congress convenes?
without adding in to this mix, senator harry reid who is running the senate and have failed to act on anything yet. >> will you support whatever short-term deal the republican leadership supports? >> i don't know what i'm going to support yet until i see it. the previous congressman you had on, raul, interesting enough, his office is right next to mine in longworth. the fact of the matter is we're going to have to find a place to come together. that the president has offered a 7%...
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senator harry reid has not passed budgets. president obama's budgets have been voted on 3 times, the final vote tally, 0-610. so getting back to your first question, have i seen a plan out of this president that would be an obvious yes from us? i haven't seen any specific plan. all i have seen is demagoguery and a few numbers thrown out, whether it's $800 billion over 10 years or $1 of revenue for $3 of spending cuts, but nothing specific that we need to see to hammer this thing out. >> he says the onus is on congress, this is your job to get done. he said in the clip we just had, if it doesn't get done, the people who are going to pay are the senior who is will lose out on benefits that they are enjoying. is that an accurate representation of what will happen? >> no! this country needs presidential leadership. the house has passed two budgets that would spend $7 trillion less than what president obama's budgets were proposed at. again, remember president obama's budgets didn't get a vote from a member of his own party. we do
senator harry reid has not passed budgets. president obama's budgets have been voted on 3 times, the final vote tally, 0-610. so getting back to your first question, have i seen a plan out of this president that would be an obvious yes from us? i haven't seen any specific plan. all i have seen is demagoguery and a few numbers thrown out, whether it's $800 billion over 10 years or $1 of revenue for $3 of spending cuts, but nothing specific that we need to see to hammer this thing out. >>...
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senator harry reid has a plan to keep taxes low for everyone making less than $250,000 a year as well as short-term spending cuts until a bigger deal can be reached. >> it is going to be a patch because in four days we can't solve everything. >> while senators try to brave the bad weather in many parts of the country in order to make it back here to washington, house leaders say they will not leave home unless the senate passes its bill first. house republicans scuttled a proposal from speaker john boehner last week, and 48% of americans say they are to blame if no deal is reached. >> both sides here have a problem with the american people, and it's why congress has an 11% job approval rating. >> frank lund says americans are fed up with gridlock in washington. >> there is no compromise, and i think that's going to grow as a concern among the public as we move into 2013. >> even starbucks is urging both sides to compromise. its employees are now writing "come together" on coffee cups in all washington, d.c., area stores. now, if congress does not act, experts believe the economy will
senator harry reid has a plan to keep taxes low for everyone making less than $250,000 a year as well as short-term spending cuts until a bigger deal can be reached. >> it is going to be a patch because in four days we can't solve everything. >> while senators try to brave the bad weather in many parts of the country in order to make it back here to washington, house leaders say they will not leave home unless the senate passes its bill first. house republicans scuttled a proposal...
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harry reid made that point on the senate floor last week because who knows. maybe there's a few dozen conservatives in the house who don't want this guy to be speaker. i wonder, you're with the tea party. do you want two more years of john boehner as house speaker? >> there are a group of people that are focused on that but i don't think that's our real focus. our real focus is ringing in the out of control spending and living within our means. that's what most people are concerned about. get rid of john boehner, who else are we going to get? i mean, we lost the election. elections have consequences. we're not going to get everything we want. but we need to focus on the real issue of our debt and deficit. instead of focusing on the power of who's in charge in the republican party and the democratic party and who's winning of the two parties? >> let me ask you, you're focusing on the deficit here. if we do nothing with if there's no deal in the next few days, and we do nothing in the first few weeks and there's no patch in the first few weeks of the new year t
harry reid made that point on the senate floor last week because who knows. maybe there's a few dozen conservatives in the house who don't want this guy to be speaker. i wonder, you're with the tea party. do you want two more years of john boehner as house speaker? >> there are a group of people that are focused on that but i don't think that's our real focus. our real focus is ringing in the out of control spending and living within our means. that's what most people are concerned about....
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senators reids and mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we can get a bipartisan bill out of the senate over to the house and done in a timely fashion so that we met the december 31st deadline. but given how things have been working in this town we always have to wait and see until it actually happens. the one thing that the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action so if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate i expect a bill to go on the floor. and i've asked senator reid to do this put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle-class families don't go up. that unemployment insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and
senators reids and mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we can get a bipartisan bill out of the senate over to the house and done in a timely fashion so that we met the december 31st deadline. but given how things have been working in this town we always have to wait and see until it actually happens. the one thing that the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action so if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate i expect a bill...
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president. >> we're going to step away from harry reid. you kind of get the gist of what he's saying. he's blaming the republican john boehner for the stall in talks on fiscal cliff. dana bash is our congressional correspondent. it just seems like this is the blame game. the house speaker would blame the president, the senate majority leader would blame the house speaker. who is to blame in all this? >> everybody is, carol. it's the blame game. i'm a little surprised at how personal harry reid just got in going after the speaker. it is true that things have clearly broken down, that goes without saying, and that the democrats were not happy that maybe a week and a half ago the speaker pulled out of talks with the president after they had reached a pretty good amount of progress. but the fact that he called the speaker a dictator and in the next breath said he's worried about his job, it's a little contradictory, but very personal. let me give you a little bit of a reality check. that is it is true that the house is not in session. they wil
president. >> we're going to step away from harry reid. you kind of get the gist of what he's saying. he's blaming the republican john boehner for the stall in talks on fiscal cliff. dana bash is our congressional correspondent. it just seems like this is the blame game. the house speaker would blame the president, the senate majority leader would blame the house speaker. who is to blame in all this? >> everybody is, carol. it's the blame game. i'm a little surprised at how personal...
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harry reid is also at that event. will he talk to president obama? white house officials right not being fairly tight-lipped on that matter. not telling us if there are any meetings scheduled at this point in time. they, again, call this a working vacation and say that staffers are working on this behind the scenes. melissa? >> hang on just a second. let me bring in nbc news political editor diminico montenero. what do you think about the majority leader flying all the way to hawaii? >> i think they realized they have three options, small deal, a big deal or go over the cliff, and right now the most likely scenario is a small deal. something that puts us past the fiscal cliff but then brings the fiscal issues into the new year which has a lot of potholes for the president. has a lot of things to get done on his legislative agenda, so worried about how going over the cliff might impact the economy immediately. >> who is more likely to take the blame if we do go over this cliff? >> that's a lot of what we're seeing. that's why you see john boehner talk
harry reid is also at that event. will he talk to president obama? white house officials right not being fairly tight-lipped on that matter. not telling us if there are any meetings scheduled at this point in time. they, again, call this a working vacation and say that staffers are working on this behind the scenes. melissa? >> hang on just a second. let me bring in nbc news political editor diminico montenero. what do you think about the majority leader flying all the way to hawaii?...
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harry reid has been making a speech moments ago and telling a where senator bob dole like senator inouye, they recuperated in michigan and later served in the senate together, bob dole walked up to the casket and lifted his left hand, his right hand was badly damage and saluted. a poignant moment. president obama at the washington cathedral, it was his really earliest political inspiration. both the president and senate majority leader reflecting on daniel inouye both a long time legislator but two days they will be getting back to work on the fiscal cliff. >> heather: the difficult job of reporting from hawaii, thank you so much, ed. >> gregg: the mother of john hammer telling her son is now in a louisiana hospital. he was released from a mexican prison last week after months behind bars. mexican authorities arrested him after he carried an antique shotgun into their country, even though he says he legally declared the weapon and had a permit for it. today his dad reportedly brought him to the emergency room during their drive back together to florida. his family reported he had a stoma
harry reid has been making a speech moments ago and telling a where senator bob dole like senator inouye, they recuperated in michigan and later served in the senate together, bob dole walked up to the casket and lifted his left hand, his right hand was badly damage and saluted. a poignant moment. president obama at the washington cathedral, it was his really earliest political inspiration. both the president and senate majority leader reflecting on daniel inouye both a long time legislator but...
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senator harry reid has a plan to keep taxes low for everyone making less than $250,000 a year as well as short term spending cuts until a bigger dooley can be reached. >> it is going to be a patch because in four days we can't solve everything. >> reporter: while senators try to brave the bad weather that has hit many parts of the country, in order to make it back here to washington, house leaders say they will not leave home unless the senate passes its bill first. >> good morning? >> reporter: house republicans scuttled the proposal from speaker john boehner last week and 48% of americans say they are to blame if no deal is reached. >> both sides here have a problem with the american people and it's why congress has 11% job approval rating. >> reporter: republican pollster frank lund says americans are fed up with gridlock in washington. >> there is no compromise and i think that's going to grow as a concern among the public into 2013. >> reporter: even starbucks is urging both sides to compromise. its employees are writing "come together" on coffee cups in d.c. tara mergener cbs 5.
senator harry reid has a plan to keep taxes low for everyone making less than $250,000 a year as well as short term spending cuts until a bigger dooley can be reached. >> it is going to be a patch because in four days we can't solve everything. >> reporter: while senators try to brave the bad weather that has hit many parts of the country, in order to make it back here to washington, house leaders say they will not leave home unless the senate passes its bill first. >> good...
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president obama meets with four congressional leaders, boehner, pelosi, reid, and o'connell. the rhetoric getting more angry and disconnected in final moments. i want to bring in michigan senator debbie stabenow now. thank you so much for being with us. >> sure. >> it really is disconnected. everywhere i go, people ask me a simple question. why can't they get this deal done? harry reid got up and said we're just procedurally not going to get this done in time, it caused people to say why not? this is the most anticipated problem we've ever had. it just -- regular folks folks look at washington and say what is going on. >> ali, i'm here and saying what is going on. there are basically three pieces to solving the deficit, right? one is spending and we have agrowed to $1.6 trillion in spending cuts in the last two years and the other is spending cuts. we put forth spending cuts of over $700 billion. not cutting care to seniors, but cutting overpayments to insurance companies. the burden of the deficit must not just be on the middle class. the wealthy have to kick in. we sent a b
president obama meets with four congressional leaders, boehner, pelosi, reid, and o'connell. the rhetoric getting more angry and disconnected in final moments. i want to bring in michigan senator debbie stabenow now. thank you so much for being with us. >> sure. >> it really is disconnected. everywhere i go, people ask me a simple question. why can't they get this deal done? harry reid got up and said we're just procedurally not going to get this done in time, it caused people to...
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>> well, you just heard from senator reid he's pessimistic. i told you he's probably one of the biggest pes mists on the planet but i think in this particular case he has good reason to be pessimistic. the one thing that i think is important to also note is that what reid is telling people privately, i'm told, is that he doesn't want to bring anything up for a vote unlil he is sure it will pass both houses of congress and one of the reasons for that is a political one. he knows republicans won't want to take a vote to effectively increase taxes for that reason, to say i did it because i want to make sure most americans kept their tax cuts in place but also because of the markets. they really feel here if they take a failed vote and we still go over the fiscal cliff it will make the market reaction even worse than it would be if the fiscal cliff just happens which is not going to be a good scene probably. >> dana, that ing you very much. we'll be back with you in a half hour. >>> the adupgs of a russian child was almost complete. now an america
>> well, you just heard from senator reid he's pessimistic. i told you he's probably one of the biggest pes mists on the planet but i think in this particular case he has good reason to be pessimistic. the one thing that i think is important to also note is that what reid is telling people privately, i'm told, is that he doesn't want to bring anything up for a vote unlil he is sure it will pass both houses of congress and one of the reasons for that is a political one. he knows...
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we just heard from the top senate democrat harley reid respondinharry reid responding to the statement. here is what he said. >> this happy talk that this republican house leadership said yesterday, let him take our bill. mr. president that bill was brought up and defeated. i refeet the american peopl repeat the american people do not agree with the republicans in the house and the republicans over here. >> reporter: the senate is back in session today, the house is not. patti ann: molly henneberg live ph washington, thank you. gregg: as washington debates the fiscal cliff we are also days away from another financial crisis. the u.s. government is poised to hit its debt limit on monday. what happens if congress doesn't raise the debt sealing? douglas holtz ee eakin is a former director of the nonpartisan budget direction office and is president of american action firearm. thapblgs for being with us. what happens if they don't raise the ceiling? >> ultimately congress has to raise the ceiling. it's simply naive to believe you could ever put the level of spending kick quickly become to t
we just heard from the top senate democrat harley reid respondinharry reid responding to the statement. here is what he said. >> this happy talk that this republican house leadership said yesterday, let him take our bill. mr. president that bill was brought up and defeated. i refeet the american peopl repeat the american people do not agree with the republicans in the house and the republicans over here. >> reporter: the senate is back in session today, the house is not. patti ann:...
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president, i don't know time wise how it can happen now. >> reporter: in a scathing attack, reid called house speaker john boehner a dictator, and blamed him for letting members stay home with no deal in sight. >> we are here in washington, working. while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership. than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> reporter: the republican leader responded saying it's democrats who failed to lead. >> make no mistake, the only reason the democrats have been trying to deflect attention onto me and my colleagues over the past few weeks, is that they don't have a plan of their own. >> reporter: president obama returned to washington for a last-minute push before leaving vacation in hawaii, he had separate phone conversations with congressional leaders. but it's not clear the talks helped. house republican leaders say they'll take action on whatever bill the senate can pass. but the senate must act first. brandi
president, i don't know time wise how it can happen now. >> reporter: in a scathing attack, reid called house speaker john boehner a dictator, and blamed him for letting members stay home with no deal in sight. >> we are here in washington, working. while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership. than about keeping the nation on firm financial...
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reid and mcconnell, they really are the focus in the senate. in the house, it's speaker john boehner. i've got to ask you, is his job on the line if republicans balk at any deal that's reached? >> no, not at all. speaker boehner is extremely strong. his conferences support him and knows that he's been in a tough position trying to negotiate the fiscal deal with the president. he's been doing this for weeks, month, working on this deal. and you know, they gave it a shot. they tried their best. the house, you know, house republicans wouldn't go for it. and said, you know, it's up to the senate. and once -- if the senate passes something, the house now will consider it. so i -- i do think that the speaker is in a very strong position. and besides, this is a very difficult job. i don't see many republicans standing up and wanting to take speaker boehner on. not many other people could do the job like speaker boehner is. >> i agree. i see you saying that. think about it, he didn't look good when plan b couldn't go to a vote. how can he be strong in
reid and mcconnell, they really are the focus in the senate. in the house, it's speaker john boehner. i've got to ask you, is his job on the line if republicans balk at any deal that's reached? >> no, not at all. speaker boehner is extremely strong. his conferences support him and knows that he's been in a tough position trying to negotiate the fiscal deal with the president. he's been doing this for weeks, month, working on this deal. and you know, they gave it a shot. they tried their...
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that would be senate majority leader harry reid. seemed kind of irritated that house republicans and all house members are not here in washington trying to work out a deal on the fiscal cliff. here is more from leader reid a short time ago. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they will give them 8 hours notice. i can't imagine their consciences. >> reporter: of course president obama has left hawaii. he is heading back to washington from his family vacation. we learned from the white house that the president had made calls to the top four congressional leaders mcconnell and boehner on the republican side, pelosi and reid on the democratic side. we'll see what the president has in mind when he touches down back in washington a little later this morning, harris. harris: mike you mentioned it. i'm mentioning it too. it is coming into the
that would be senate majority leader harry reid. seemed kind of irritated that house republicans and all house members are not here in washington trying to work out a deal on the fiscal cliff. here is more from leader reid a short time ago. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives, as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they will give...
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after hearing senator reid yesterday, senator mcconnell fired back. take a listen. >> we're coming up against a hard deadline here and i said, this is a conversation we should had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> reporter: now senator mcconnell also said he was disappointed because when he got a call from the president two nights ago right before the president left hawaii to come back here to the white house, senator mcconnell says that was the first time he heard from any democrat, president, senator reid, nancy pelosi, anybody in about a month in terms of talking about the fiscal cliff. so everyone has sort of delayed really facing all of th up against the deadline now, jon. jon: that seems clear. ed henry at the white house there. ed, thank you. stay on it for us. for more on this let's bring in the editor of "campaigns & elections" magazine, shane deapril. campaigns and elections might be appropriate here because som
after hearing senator reid yesterday, senator mcconnell fired back. take a listen. >> we're coming up against a hard deadline here and i said, this is a conversation we should had months ago. and republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> reporter: now senator mcconnell also said he was disappointed because when he got a call from the president two nights ago right before the...
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what's harry reid left to do right now? >> i'm not sure $250,000 could get through the house or senate at this point. republicans are signaling, as kay bailey hutchison just did, they want to move to $500,000. i think that would be a tough lift considering president obama offered $400,000 with $2 trillion in deficit reduction. >> from where you sit right now, i mean, you're so into the house gop, jake, i'm surprised you didn't end up in boehner's suitcase, we look like we're going over. >> it looks like that's the case and that's what gop aides are telling us today, it's very difficult and democrats are saying this too, it's difficult to see a way we avert the fiscal cliff at this point with how slow the senate operates, no plan right now, house is nowhere, and it's almost january. >> highway to the danger zone, jake sherman, politico, thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it. >>> developing news on president george h.w. bush's health. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. we've all had those moments. w
what's harry reid left to do right now? >> i'm not sure $250,000 could get through the house or senate at this point. republicans are signaling, as kay bailey hutchison just did, they want to move to $500,000. i think that would be a tough lift considering president obama offered $400,000 with $2 trillion in deficit reduction. >> from where you sit right now, i mean, you're so into the house gop, jake, i'm surprised you didn't end up in boehner's suitcase, we look like we're going...
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senator harry reid as you say was very rough going directly after boehner yesterday. take a listen. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> reporter: the word dictatorship not sitting well at speaker's office of the as you can imagine his spokesman putting out a tough statement of his own saying quote, senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. senate democrats have not. there you go. the senators saying the house to act. the speaker's office saying senate has to act. there is pressure building on the president to bring both house, and senate, democratic leaders all four leaders into the white house today to bring leadership down, time is running it. let's come together. gregg: adds all new meaning to the word elementary school. ed henry, thanks very much. we're
senator harry reid as you say was very rough going directly after boehner yesterday. take a listen. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> reporter: the word dictatorship not sitting well at speaker's office of the as you can imagine his spokesman...
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john boehner shot back saying that reid needs to talk less and legislate more. but really this comes down to working out, cobbling together something that can get support. president obama wants that tax cut threshold to be at $250,000. well, mitch mcconnell poured some cold water on that yesterday. so they need to come to some sort of agreement on where the threshold would be. we don't know what it would be yet in the senate. >> 250,000 for the democratic side and republicans couldn't even agree on a million. that's a $750,000 gap they have to close. let's hope they do that. thank you. >>> commanders in chief past and present paying tribute to retired general norman schwarzkopf this morning. the commander of coalition forces during the gulf war died yesterday at 78. schwarzkopf was the face of military briefings during the first cable news war. former president george h.w. bush who is hospitalized, said the general was a true american patriot, one of the great military leaders of this generation. >>> new york city police are looking for a woman who pushed a man
john boehner shot back saying that reid needs to talk less and legislate more. but really this comes down to working out, cobbling together something that can get support. president obama wants that tax cut threshold to be at $250,000. well, mitch mcconnell poured some cold water on that yesterday. so they need to come to some sort of agreement on where the threshold would be. we don't know what it would be yet in the senate. >> 250,000 for the democratic side and republicans couldn't...
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senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff and senate democrats have not. now they are coming into the meeting and there is already acrimoney instead of reconciliation. >> part of the problem, i am sorry, the house passed two spending bills and ideas to meet the fiscal cliff and cent -- subject it to the senate. they have two over there . john boehner said let me get third plan b . everybody is like where are the republicans on this? they should have stayed firm on the ryan plan. it was the best . back track a year ago. this stems from the failure of the super committee that stemmed from the simpson-bowles commission failing. simpson-bowles. they got together and made the recommendation to president obama who commissioned that study can. >> kelly: and yet rejected it. >> that fail would and went to the super committee. they need to get together. >> julia: if you watched fox news channel yesterday. there is a map with red dots and that is the newspaper and the lo
senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff and senate democrats have not. now they are coming into the meeting and there is already acrimoney instead of reconciliation. >> part of the problem, i am sorry, the house passed two spending bills and ideas to meet the fiscal cliff and cent -- subject it to the senate. they have two over there . john boehner said let me get third plan b . everybody is like where are the...